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Old Ghostbusters Cartoon Too Violent?

Friday, March 21st, 2008

I recently watched the DVD versions of Ghostbusters I and II as part of a box set. Wide screen, baby! To my surprise, the disc featuring Ghostbuster II also had 2 episodes of the animated series. I think the first one might have been the pilot to "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon because it explained what happened after the end of the 1st film, and the reason the cartoon's title has the word "real" in it. Before I go into detail about the plot of that episode, let me just clarify a bit on the violence issue.

I had read somewhere at some point that the cartoon was eventually canceled because some people found the series too violent. I thought, "How could the lovable Ghostbusters be considered violent?" But when you watch the cartoon, I guess it becomes apparent.

The episode I saw on the DVD depicted how Peter Venkman left the old marshmallow man-covered uniforms in a box next to the recently repaired ghost containment unit. Psychokinetic energy leftover from the confrontation with Gozer plus more energy from a leak in the containment unit accrued over time and eventually "got up and walked away." Basically, the psychic imprints of each of the Ghostbusters became self-aware and powerful enough to inhabit the old uniforms. Thus, a "ghost version" of the Ghostbusters team was created.

That ghost team quickly decided there was only room in New York for one set of Ghostbusters, and began to wage war on "the real Ghostbusters." A confrontation ensued, ending with the ghost guys being trapped and stored, just like any ordinary group of ghosts.

What struck me was how easily the real Ghostbusters found it (logically) to fight their own psychic imprints. I imagined an alternate scenario where some sort of agreement is reached, and both groups of Ghostbusters team up and work together from that point forward. Instead, one team decided to capture and eliminate the other team.

What I found horrific were the screams of the ghost-versions as they were caught. The ghost guys sounded just like the regular guys. I tried to imagine how it must have felt for them. They save the city from Gozer, come back, change their uniforms, and the next thing they know, they're ghosts! And then they get captured!! I mean, they must have felt how a clone feels in the movies like "Multiplicity" or "The Sixth Day" where they clone your mind, too. You don't know you're the double — you think you're the real deal. So at the end of the episode, it was almost like the Ghostbusters were killing… themselves.

That quickness, that "shoot first ask questions later" mentality was so overtly built into that episode that it made me question whether there really was something to the whole violence thing. But still, it was fun seeing the Ghostbusters back in action.

I heard there was a CGI movie in the works, with a plot that might merit a title like, "Ghostbusters Go To Hell." Cool!!

Peter Petrelli Leaves GF In Alternate Hell Future, BTTF2 Style

Wednesday, November 7th, 2007

Heroes is absolutely incredible. They have the option to make it complex, and they do so brilliantly. Monday, amnesiac Peter took his Irish gal pal for an unplanned trip to 2008, where over 90% of the world's population has been ravaged by disease. Peter and his lady are separated, and she is deported back to Ireland.

Then, Peter goes back to some other time, possible present-day, possible the time of the previous generation of heroes, Linderman's, generation. He meets Adam, the immortal samurai Hiro just made an enemy of, 400 years in the past.

All right, so the guy's immortal. That means all healers are immortal. That means Claire and Peter are immortal, and previous future Sylar was as well.

Back to the issue at hand. Peter left the future where "9 out of 10 dentists agree…that they're dead," but his girlfriend is still there! And you just know they're going to save the world again like they did at the end of Season 1. They stopped the bomb, and prevented the devastation and ensuing development of an anti-hero police-state. So they'll stop this disease too. But where does that leave Peter's lady?

In "Back to the Future 2," old man Biff in 2015 traveled back to 1955 giving his younger self a sports almanac with all the winners in every major sporting event for the next 45 years. 1955 Biff got rich. When Doc and Marty left 2015, they returned to 1985-prime, which was a Hell version of the time they once knew. Doc and Marty left Jennifer, Marty's GF, on a porch swing in 1985-prime. Then they went back to 1955, fixed history, and returned to the original 1985. There, they found Jennifer on the same porch swing.

How did that work? If Doc and Marty fixed the timeline in 1955, then the versions of them that were in 2015 a few days prior would have ended up back at the original 1985 to begin with, and would have brought Jennifer home and probably woken her up at some point. Like, "Here, your home now. Good night." How did she jump from 1985-prime to the normal 1985?

Well, anyway, if Heroes does that, and Peter never goes back for his GF (like that would happen), then she'll first show up in Ireland in the diseased 2008, having been missing for a few months. Then, Peter and co. will change history, cleaning up 2008. At that point, his GF will be in Ireland in the clean 2008. Or will she?

I think what could happen instead is that she randomly appears in clean 2008 at the time and place where she showed up with Peter in dirty 2008. She'd randomly appear in NY, and wouldn't be sent to Ireland because there wasn't any disease to mandate deportation. But does she show up without Peter? Hmm…

The way around this conundrum would be to have Peter go back to diseased '08 and bring GF back to 2007. I think they'll do that.

Alternatively, Peter and friends could first save the world, and then Peter goes to clean 2008, picks up GF, and returns with her to the present (by that point, the present would probably be the end of Season 2).

But man! I wish they'd explain what would happen if she were just left there, in a future soon to be rewritten. I'll bet there are a lot more interesting possibilities than what I've come up with.